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[Letitia1]

Asa se poarta o femeie atacata in tinerete cu atacatorul ei,  ani si ani dupa atac? Sau in Hollywood o mina spala pe alta?

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Editat de Letitia1, 12 octombrie 2017 - 23:40 .

[Raindrops]

Nu vi se pare ca personajul seamana cu un purcel?  Nu ma refer la faptul ca e dolofan, ci la expresia fetei. 

[antmil]

Cam asa au tăcut și altii/altele. 

 

 

Ms. Porcaro, 63, said that at the end of 1990, seven fifth-graders told her that Father Prochaski was sexually abusing them. Most were Polish immigrants whose families had been brought to America with the help of the priest, to whom they felt beholden.

She said she reported the abuse to the principal, a nun from the Sisters of the Holy Family order. She said the nun laughed and said, “Oh, everybody knows about Father Adam,” she recalled. “And I had tears in my eyes.”

 

 

23 Women Accuse Former Queens Priest of Abusing Them as Children

https://www.nytimes....use-queens.html

 

[Iris2014]

Letitia, sunt femei abuzate de sotii lor ani de zile, si care apar in poze sau la intalniri cu prietenii ca femei fericire, perfecte. Nu le credem pentru ca au poze in care isi imbratiseaza/saruta abuzatorul??

Nu inteleg de ce sunt atacate victimele aici. Sincera sa fiu, nu va inteleg pe voi. Sunteti femei. Chiar nu v-a intrat nimeni vreodata in zona de comfort, impotrica vointei voastre, nu ati trecut strada si sa va prinda un tigan de sani, de fund? Nu ati fost la discoteca si un cineva mai macho v-a atins fara sa vreti? Nu v-a pipait nimeni intr-un autobuz supraaglomerat? Sau toate aceste gesturi sunt normale? Nu e abuz? Sau voi, spre deosebire de aceste femei, ati mers imediat la politie si i-ati denuntat acesti atacatori?

 

Traim in secolul trecut. Victimele sunt de vina. Si actritele acestea mai erau si tinere si frumoase, asa ca si mai vinovate sunt. Unde mai pui ca au succes, asa ca hai sa ne amuzam. 

Editat de Iris2014, 13 octombrie 2017 - 07:36 .

[rall]

Eu ies din acest dialog al surzilor.

 

Total off-topic dar, va rog, nu mai folositi aceasta expresie.

Si surzii pot dialoga la fel de bine ca cei ne-surzi.

[Pepco]

Victimele - daca exista - trebuiau sa depuna plangere imediat. Penal vorbind, nu exista "mi-a fost frica, m-am simtit intimidata".

 

Norocul lor este ca sunt in America si li se acorda atentie si acum, dupa nu stiu cati ani de la fapta. Nimeni nu te asteapta cu covorul rosu la Hollywood. Cu pofta de sex, da, te asteapta multi.

 

In Romania, Politia cere ca prezentarea la IML (institutul de medicina legala) sa se faca in ziua faptei sau cel mult a doua zi dupa fapta. In America vad ca poti reclama si dupa 20 de ani.

 

 

[andaghe]

Total off-topic dar, va rog, nu mai folositi aceasta expresie. Si surzii pot dialoga la fel de bine ca cei ne-surzi.

 

Tot off topic, e adevărat, dar surzii comunica in felul lor, auzitorii in felul lor. E foarte greu de realizat un dialog intre un auzitor și un surd. Așa că un auzitor care se retrage din dialogul surzilor, pe care nu îl înțelege nu mi se pare o jignire la adresa vreunei categorii.

[DarkBendis]

Pepco, una dintre femeile agresate, modelul Ambra Battilana, a mers direct la politie, care chiar s-a implicat. A reusit chiar sa se intoarca "utilata" cu echipament de inregistrare, si sa aiba o discutie cu el in care omul incerca iar sa o cheme in camera lui, recunostea ca a prins-o de sani si spunea "ca e obisnuit" sa se comporte in felul asta. Guess what, nu s-a ajuns nicaieri, politia a investigat, a adunat probe, Procuratura a decis sa nu faca nimic. https://www.thesun.c...ositioning-her/

[DarkBendis]

Un articol foarte bun care explica multe:

 

"If you have ever experienced sexual assault or harassment, you know that one of the cruellest things about these acts is the way that they entangle, and attempt to contaminate, all of the best things about you. If you’re sweet and friendly, you’ll think that it’s your fault for accommodating the situation. If you’re tough, well, you might as well decide that it’s no big deal. If you’re a gentle person, then he knew you were weak. If you’re talented, he thought of you as an equal. If you’re ambitious, you wanted it. If you’re savvy, you knew it was coming. If you’re affectionate, you seemed like you were asking for it all along. If you make dirty jokes or have a good time at parties, then why get moralistic? If you’re smart, there’s got to be some way to rationalize this.

 

When you are a young woman, and you believe in your own worth and personhood and agency, it can be hard, despite the clichés that govern this situation, to understand that an older man who takes an interest in you does not necessarily share these beliefs. And, of course, young women are not the only victims of such crimes. But this is a basic and familiar pattern: a powerful man sees you, a woman who is young and who thinks she might be talented, a person who conveniently exists in a female body, and he understands that he can tie your potential to your female body, and threaten the latter, and you will never be quite as sure of the former again.

 

Afterward, you are rarely presented with even a single good option. Stay silent and you have acquiesced to whatever happened. Tell a friend and nothing much will be done. Come forward to an authority figure and you’ll face unfair consequences: people will be uncomfortable around you, perceiving ulterior motives; people will look for reasons that this happened to you, specifically; maybe you simply won’t be believed. There will be retribution—the power dynamic in these situations makes it a foregone conclusion. Men like Harvey Weinstein prey on women who are inexperienced enough that they can be penalized if they say no and implicated if they give in.

 

In Ronan Farrow’s account of Weinstein’s alleged decades-long pattern of cold, angry, vicious, sexually predatory behavior, this side of sexual victimization is particularly palpable in the actress Asia Argento’s story. Argento alleges that, in 1997, she was told she was attending a Miramax party but was brought to a hotel room that was empty except for Weinstein. He complimented her work, and then came out of the bathroom wearing just a robe, carrying lotion. When she reluctantly agreed to give him a massage, he pulled up her skirt and forcibly performed oral sex on her as she pleaded with him to stop. “It was a nightmare,” she told Farrow. Eventually, she says, she stopped protesting and feigned pleasure to make the encounter end faster. During the event and after, she says, she felt guilty for not physically fighting off his big naked body. Later on, she yielded to his pursuit and had consensual sex with him on multiple occasions.

In the story, it is clear that Weinstein, through this initial encounter, immediately and permanently altered Argento’s life and self-perception. She told Farrow that oral sex is “ruined” for her, and she described herself as “damaged.” “I am a fucking fool,” she said. The most crushing thing, reading the account, is that Argento seems to speak with such a minimum of rancor. In fact, most of the women who have spoken up about Weinstein—a group that includes, among many others, Mira Sorvino, Rosanna Arquette, Ashley Judd, Rose McGowan, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Angelina Jolie—have spoken with a tone that many women find familiar: a muted sadness, a long-kept knowledge of diminishment, a sense of undeserved yet inescapable remorse.

 

There are stories like theirs within every industry. But, on the rare occasions when such stories are publicly told, many crucial factors are often left out, or obscured: the complex dynamics that kick in during the incident; the deadening calculus that follows right after; the long, uneven, unpredictable aftermath. In Weinstein’s case, these factors are uniquely visible: he is a celebrity, many of his accusers are celebrities, and the business of Hollywood is partly conducted in public—the power matrix in the story is unusually clear. There are also, already, so many women accusing Weinstein, all speaking of such similar incidents, which occurred at such similar places within their respective careers, that the comet trail of each act contributes to a collective pattern. The case has illuminated the very ordinary reality of being a young woman with a desire to succeed, perform, and please others, who is sexually targeted by a powerful man in her field—a man who aims to use his position in a way that will affect her career and her selfhood whether she relents or escapes. These, too, are open secrets among women: what that moment feels like, what you think about when you consider your options, why you carry this stuff with you for so long.

 

There is no good exit from a hotel room with Harvey Weinstein. I am not prone to self-doubt, or even to taking things personally, but the slightest brushes I’ve had with men who bait-and-switched their interest in my work and my body have left me feeling that I am, as Argento felt she was, a fucking fool. The sense of diminishment, even if it’s slight or temporary, which it often is not, is exacerbated by the fact that men like Weinstein do not show themselves, spiritually or literally, to women above a certain point in the hierarchy of power, and they generally hide the worst of their behavior from other men. This makes for a false but often convincing narrative—you are prey only when you are not good enough, and so you must not have been good if you were prey.

 

 

This is, I think, the primary reason that some women maintain relationships with their attackers. When you are treated like an object, things about you that you cannot change are reframed. If a man interprets your youth as sexual vulnerability, he can make it seem that you have no choice but to be sexually vulnerable—after all, you have no choice but to be young. And so you might conclude that you need to redeem the encounter within a narrative that you may not like but in which you can at least actively participate. This might mean engaging in consensual sex afterward, to make you feel like you wanted it the first time, though you know you didn’t. Or staying friendly with the man in the hopes that you’ll find out that he actually did value you, and he wasn’t just hoping for access to your body. Or even trying to get something out of the transaction, whatever you can. This looks like weakness, but it’s an attempt to gain control. The Weinstein case has reminded me of how hard, maybe impossible, it is to separate yourself from all the things that have been forced on you—an encounter, a body, a sense of complicity, or simply the banal old scripts that make it all seem so sickeningly predictable. You were young and he was powerful; the story writes itself."

 

https://www.newyorke...s-in-their-acts

[rall]

Tot off topic, e adevărat, dar surzii comunica in felul lor, auzitorii in felul lor. E foarte greu de realizat un dialog intre un auzitor și un surd. Așa că un auzitor care se retrage din dialogul surzilor, pe care nu îl înțelege nu mi se pare o jignire la adresa vreunei categorii.

 

Nici mie nu mi se parea pana cand cineva cu o sora surda a scris chiar aici, pe forum, cat de jignitoare este aceasta expresie pentru cei din comunitatea lor. Eu am decis sa o cred si sa le respect sentimentele.

 

Si expresia se refera la (cel putin) doi surzi (dialogul SURZILOR), nu la cineva care aude si care nu reuseste sa comunice cu cineva cu probleme de auz.